{"id":1778,"date":"2003-03-21T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2003-03-21T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/banneroftruth.co\/us\/resources\/articles\/2003\/the-joy-of-romans-9"},"modified":"2003-03-21T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2003-03-21T00:00:00","slug":"the-joy-of-romans-9","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/banneroftruth.org\/uk\/resources\/articles\/2003\/the-joy-of-romans-9\/","title":{"rendered":"The Joy of Romans 9"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><P><b> Have you ever considered I am asking you to consider that what is         coming to us in the 21st century may be so catastrophic, so unprecedented         in this country, that everything we ever knew of earthly securities will         fail<\/b><\/p>\n<p> by John Piper      <\/p>\n<p> One of the great advantages of being a pastor and laboring to understand        Gods word and exult over it in preaching is that I must stand before        people week after week whose children have died, or worse, are        spiritually dead; whose spouses are critically ill, or worse,        spiritually hard; whose health is failing; whose jobs are in jeopardy;        whose finances are strapped; who battle depression, or love someone who        does; and who know from experience that the world the real world where        they live is shot through with sin and suffering and futility. I say        it is a great advantage to me as a pastor who is called to understand,        and teach, and exult over the word of God, to do it in this context of        life.       <\/p>\n<p> Its an advantage because I cant afford to play any academic games        here. I cant endlessly suspend judgment on crucial teachings. I cant        be neutral about great realities that matter in peoples lives. Theres        too much at stake every week for us to entertain ourselves with        trivialities or platitudes. Life is hard and you don&#8217;t come here to hear        me speculate, or give my opinion, and offer pep talks to divert your        attention from your problems.      <\/p>\n<p> And its an advantage because in this context of real, live people of        all kinds in real pain every week, the big truths of the Bible either        help or they don. And a pastor hears about it. It is a great blessing        to me to do theology in the public context of a covenant community of        suffering people. The problem of pain, and the problem of evil, and the        truth of Gods sovereignty are never far away.       <\/p>\n<p> TESTIMONIES OF GOD&#8217;S SOVEREIGN GOODNESS      <\/p>\n<p> I now have about 125 entries in my filing system under the title,        &#8216;sovereignty of God.&#8217; Many of them are letters. Letters from you and        letters from people around the country about the practical, powerful,        precious effect of the truth that God the Father of our Lord, Jesus        Christ, is absolutely sovereign over all suffering and sin.      <\/p>\n<p> One of the reasons I don shrink from the vision of God in Romans 9 is        because after almost 30 years now of teaching and preaching from the        conviction of Gods supremacy and sovereignty in all things, I believe        that it is not only biblically faithful, but also profoundly practical        and faith-sustaining and life-giving. I have seen the sheer absolute        holiness and majesty and sovereignty of God over all evil and over all        human willing and acting become an anchor for storm-tossed souls, and         a        refuge for the frightened, and a rock of stability when all else seemed        to give way, and a hope when the most precious earthly things had been        lost, and a confidence that the worst of miseries really will be turned        for good.      <\/p>\n<p> One mother of a 22-year-old college son who has not awakened yet from         a        coma for over two years after a skiing accident (that my son Barnabas        was on), wrote to me, &quot;Your statement, In reality our pain and losses        are always a test of how much we treasure the all-wise, all-governing        God in comparison to what we have lost, brought me to my knees again.        It has been very hard to give my treasure back to the Lord. As you        say, This is a very precious discovery, because it enables us to repent        and seek to cherish Christ as we ought.&quot; Isn&#8217;t that amazing!      <\/p>\n<p> One of the reasons I mention some of these letters is to help you        realize that peoples responses to the truth of Gods sovereignty over        all things are often not what you think they will be. The fact is: the        views of God that you or I, in our limited experience, think are needed        in a painful situation, may not be what is needed at all. Have you ever        been surprised, like I have, at how amazingly and powerfully relevant        the sheer absolute God-ness of God is! It turns out to be exactly what        some people need when we think: surely what they need is some soft,        non-theological, emotionally-gentle cushion. To our amazement, we find        them saying, though they may not even be able to articulate it, I am so        deeply shaken to the utter foundations of my being that nothing but a        massive dose of divine majesty and sovereignty will do me good.      <\/p>\n<p> I have had a father say to me in March, after three horrible months         of        revelation concerning the abuse of his daughters by an uncle, that it        was the truth of Gods absolute holiness and sovereignty, preached in        January, that was the rock that got him through the last three months.      <\/p>\n<p> I met a young woman from India a few years ago who thanked me for the        truth she had heard in something I had said and asked if she could write        to me. When she was born a treatable disease was misdiagnosed, and she        was paralyzed. By age 14 she had had 21 surgeries and was cruelly        treated by other children calling her crippled. She became a Christian        in high school. She married, had four miscarriages, and her second child        died in her husbands arms at two months. She closed the letter,       <\/p>\n<p> I have read many books on suffering, but they are often so man-centered        and . . . nullify, or at least diminish the glory, majesty and        sovereignty of God. It is radical thinking to say that God wills and        ordains our suffering and not just passively allows it, hoping to make        the best of it for us. As I have grown in my walk, I can see that        nothing in this world happens apart from the sovereign will of God.      <\/p>\n<p> FACING THE 21ST CENTURY      <\/p>\n<p> Have you ever considered I am asking you to consider that what is        coming to us in the 21st century may be so catastrophic, so        unprecedented in this country, that everything we ever knew of earthly        securities will fail, and that this God, the God of Romans 9 the God        that, in our three centuries of American security and comfort and luxury        could be so easily marginalized that this God may be precisely the God        perfectly suited to take on the challenge of Islam, and shield us from        false teachings within the church, and be big enough to give you hope        when the whole world seems to collapse and then rise in rebellion        against Christ? Are you sure that your inherited God is the Biblical        God? Is your God big enough and majestic enough and sovereign enough to        be the God of the 21st century and of the world that we see developing        around us?      <\/p>\n<p> AN OBJECTION AGAINST THIS VISION OF GOD      <\/p>\n<p> In Romans 9:19, Paul hears someone raise an objection to his vision         of        God. They say, Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his        will? Paul had just said in verses 17-18, For the Scripture says to        Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show        my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.        18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever         he        wills. It was this last phrase that raised the objection. If he hardens        whomever he wills if God has the right to decree who will become        rebellious then Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his        will?      <\/p>\n<p> Paul has portrayed God as absolutely sovereign. He decides who will        believe and undeservingly be saved and who will rebel and deservingly        perish. Before they were born or had done anything good or evil, he        loves Jacob and gives Esau over to wickedness and destruction (9:11-13).        He is free and unconstrained from influences outside himself when he        decrees who will receive mercy and who will not (9:15-18).       <\/p>\n<p> Why is this right for him to do? He has given answers in verses 14-18        and now he gives two more. I will summarize them very briefly and do        very little defending on my own. I will let them stand and read one very        powerful summary quotation from Jonathan Edwards that has helped me see        the enormous implications of this passage.      <\/p>\n<p> FIRST ARGUMENT:THE QUALITATIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POTTER AND CLAY MAKES         FOOLISH THE CRITICISM OF THE CLAY      <\/p>\n<p> First Paul argues that a potter has the authority and right over the        clay to make a wide range of vessels from the same lump. Verse 21: Has        the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one        vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use? The argument        here is basically: Potters know more than clay about what is wise to        make. I say this because Paul asks in verse 20, Who are you, O man,        [that is, a mere man, a mere piece of clay] to answer back to God? Will        what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this? In        other words, the argument is simply this: we humans don know enough to        elevate our values and our standards and our insights to the point of        judging God and saying: You used your sovereignty in an unwise,        unrighteous way. That s argument number one. There is an infinite,        qualitative difference between potter and clay that makes it foolish and        wrong for clay to criticize the choices of the potter.      <\/p>\n<p> SECOND ARGUMENT: THE PURPOSE IS TO DISPLAY GOD&#8217;S MERCY FOR THE VESSELS         OF MERCY      <\/p>\n<p> The second argument goes deeper. I think it is the deepest argument         in        all the Bible for why God is right to unconditionally choose whom to        love and whom to hate, whom to show mercy and whom to harden, whom to        make a vessel for honor and whom to make a vessel for dishonor. The        deepest reason this is right, Paul says, is that it displays most fully        the glory of God, including his wrath against sin and his power in        judgment, so that the vessels of mercy can know him most completely and        worship him with the greatest intensity for all eternity.      <\/p>\n<p> I will read it to you from verses 22-23 and you decide if you think         that        is a fair restatement of Paul s argument. What if God, desiring to show        his wrath [it is wrong to insert although before desiring the way        the NASB does, saying Although he desired to show his wrath . . .        That s a paraphrase that gets the meaning exactly backward. Its wrong        because we know from verse 17 it is not although God desired to show his        wrath and power that he raised Pharaoh up and endured his rebellion        through 10 plagues; rather it is because he desired to display his power        and wrath that he dealt with Pharaoh the way he did (Exodus 7:3; 8:10;        10:1; 14:4)] What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known        his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for        destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for        vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory.      <\/p>\n<p> THE THREE PURPOSES IN VERSES 22 AND 23      <\/p>\n<p> There are three purposes mentioned and the first two serve the third.        First (v. 22) God acts to show his wrath against sin that he is a holy        God who hates sin. Second (v. 22) God acts to show his power in        judgment. Third, (v. 23) all of this self-revelation is to make known        the riches of his glory (including his holy wrath and mighty power) for        the vessels of mercy. In other words, the final and deepest argument        Paul gives for why God acts in sovereign freedom is that this way of        acting displays most fully the glory of God, including his wrath against        sin and his power in judgment, so that the vessels of mercy can know him        most completely and worship him with the greatest intensity for all        eternity.      <\/p>\n<p> EDWARDS ON WHY GOD ORDAINED THAT EVIL BE       <\/p>\n<p> Now listen to one whose insight and understanding of these things is         far        beyond mine, Jonathan Edwards, answering the question why a good and        holy God would decree that there be hardening and evil. Listen        carefully. Think hard. This is not the Bible. This is a man who I        believe understood the Bible correctly on this point:      <\/p>\n<p> It is a proper and excellent thing for infinite glory to shine forth;        and for the same reason, it is proper that the shining forth of Gods        glory should be complete; that is, that all parts of his glory should        shine forth, that every beauty should be proportionably effulgent        [=radiant], that the beholder may have a proper notion of God. It is not        proper that one glory should be exceedingly manifested, and another not        at all. . .      <\/p>\n<p> Thus it is necessary, that Gods awful majesty, his authority and        dreadful greatness, justice, and holiness, should be manifested. But        this could not be, unless sin and punishment had been decreed; so that        the shining forth of Gods glory would be very imperfect, both because        these parts of divine glory would not shine forth as the others do, and        also the glory of his goodness, love, and holiness would be faint        without them; nay, they could scarcely shine forth at all.       <\/p>\n<p> If it were not right that God should decree and permit and punish sin,        there could be no manifestation of Gods holiness in hatred of sin, or        in showing any preference, in his providence, of godliness before it.        There would be no manifestation of Gods grace or true goodness, if        there was no sin to be pardoned, no misery to be saved from. How much        happiness soever he bestowed, his goodness would not be so much prized        and admired, and the sense of it not so great . . .      <\/p>\n<p> So evil is necessary, in order to the highest happiness of the creature,        and the completeness of that communication of God, for which he made the        world; because the creatures happiness consists in the knowledge of        God, and the sense of his love. And if the knowledge of him be        imperfect, the happiness of the creature must be proportionably        imperfect. (Jonathan Edwards, Concerning the Divine Decrees, in The        Works of Jonathan Edwards (Edinburgh: Banner of Truth, 1974), p. 528)      <\/p>\n<p> SUMMARY      <\/p>\n<p> So I ask, Is God less glorious because he ordained that there be real        evil and real guilt and just punishment? Paul s answer is, no, just the        opposite. Gods glory will shine the more truly and brightly for having        decreed and governed this universe as we know it. The effort to rescue        God from his sovereignty by denying his foreknowledge of sin or by        denying his ultimate control over sin is destructive for faith and hope        and worship. It is a great dishonor to his word and his wisdom.        Christians, if you love the glory of God, look well to the teaching of        your church and your schools. Test them. But most of all look well to        your souls.      <\/p>\n<p> May the majesty of God and the weight of his glory and the grace of         his        dying and rising Son rest upon you. 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